season 2.4: episode 011: the outlaw theologian of love, part 2

Episode 2.4 Episode 11: The All That's Holy Blue Collar Podcast

We’ve got another voice.  Christina Marfice, writer at, world-traveler, and tennis commentator.  Getting to know Christina as a journalist, comedy writer, and the possessor of “person” (“I have a person” she says, we should talk about this).  Christina can be followed at  And coming up will be Christina’s participation in Remote Year, while she lives as a digital nomad travelling the world, joining us for podcasts with us from remote locations, beginning with Croatia.

We have a few confessions and there’s always something to be grateful for: for engaged citizens; for relationships of welcome when we need a new home; and the new work of the New Sanctuary Movement and their new training.  Read or listen to their story from National Public Radio, broadcast February, 24, 2017.

The Interview: The Outlaw Theologian of Love, Part Two


Part 2 with Dr. Thomas J. Oord.  We pick up the conversation with Cody and Tom discussion the wooing of God as one who seeks our response.  They pick up on themes of nature, creation (do not forget to check out his photo album on Facebook!), and evolution.  Tom brings up an expanded sense of God’s partnership with creation.  Including ideas about God’s memory, life after death, and some of the concepts which have bothered others and created push back. In this context, Tom states, “I care about the biggest and most difficult questions we face as humans, I’m not afraid to ask those questions, and I’m not afraid to look for answers, even if they’re unconventional.” Tom speaks more openly about his experience with his layoff from Northwest Nazarene University. Including his experience and his hopes for his colleagues.  And his conviction that he may not qualify as a heretic. 

Thomas Jay Oord Photo Sample

Tom’s nature photography book, Through Both Creations Shine, is available at iTunes.

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Music this Episode

Depeche Mode: Where’s the Revolution. Yes, they are still around. Follow on Twitter: @depechemode and visit their band page at: . Check out the video for Where’s the Revolution on Rolling Stone, or from their restrained yet smoldering performance on Fallon. The album, Spirit, comes out on March 17, but you can get Where's the Revolution at iTunes.

The Shins: Painting a Hole, which, if you think about it, would be hard thing to accomplish. Follow The Shins on Twitter at @TheShins , and on Facebook.  Get their music and more at: Available soon on iTunes.

Andra Day: What the World Needs Now, and it really, really does.  Day brings a timely and passionate cover of the 1966 Dionne Warwick plea.  Find out more about Andra day at , Twitter @AndraDayMusic, and Facebook. Day’s rendition has been produced by the Hyatt corporation for their appeal to use travel as a mean of fostering listening and understanding across culture. You can watch the video and read about on Billboard Magazine

Cold War Kids: Can We Hang On?, is coming on next month on the album La Divine. Find out more about Cold War Kids at: , Twitter @ColdWarKids, and iTunes.

Minus the Bear: Last Kiss, is on Voids. Follow Minus the Bear on Twitter @minusthebear and Facebook.  Find more about Minus the Bear at: and pick up their music at iTunes.

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